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Message 434 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 15:44:33 UTC

Huge number of resends for the 3rd, 4th etc time.

The returned tasks are all ending into the status Completed, validation inconclusive
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Message 435 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 16:23:22 UTC

I am new for this project but all my tasks today has the same status Completed, validation inconclusive
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Message 436 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 17:08:46 UTC
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Seems excessive. Are there any that actually finish at 4,5 or 5,6 or 6,7 or 7,8???
max # of error/total/success tasks 8, 8, 8
I have 10,227 WUs Completed, validation inconclusive waiting for someone to get lucky as 7 & 8.
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Message 437 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 17:35:45 UTC

My last task returned that got the status Valid was at 22 Jan 2021, 12:56:28 UTC.

All tasks thereafter got the status: Completed, validation inconclusive.

The highest number for initial replication, I could find so far is 6.
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Message 438 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 19:51:26 UTC

Same here.
This needs to be fixed,soon.
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Message 439 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 20:30:32 UTC - in response to Message 438.  

I'm seeing this problem, also. Is the validator capable of marking ANY results as valid? I suspect it is not, and needs major changes.
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Message 440 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 20:35:17 UTC

I've got replication as high as 9. This is lots of wasted resources that people are donating, not a very nice approach.
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Message 441 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 21:22:53 UTC

Calm down, its a relatively new project with a big growth of users in short time.
sometimes errors just happen.
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Message 442 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 22:05:45 UTC - in response to Message 437.  

I have an overlap of valid/inconclusive tasks around 14:36 UTC.
Also some Invalid foa all 8 (Completed, can't validate).
Plus this one with 2 valid then inconclusives!
TARGET_3_nb3di_006543_2 https://www.sidock.si/sidock/workunit.php?wuid=2803646

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Message 443 - Posted: 22 Jan 2021, 22:17:22 UTC

count me in
RxDock on BOINC v1.00
https://www.sidock.si/sidock/workunit.php?wuid=2811533
and also
CurieMarieDock on BOINC v1.01
https://www.sidock.si/sidock/workunit.php?wuid=2824646
are invalid with 8 error results

when the validator is not changed or working wrong, than the source data has wrong parameters or data
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Message 446 - Posted: 23 Jan 2021, 11:58:40 UTC - in response to Message 434.  
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On 22 January, I had 706 valid and 680 invalid. Whether that is too high to conitnue is a matter of personal judgement.
It is 706 more than if I weren't doing them, but then there are other options too. I hope it is fixed soon.

I have three machines on it now. Maybe I will just leave one on to see when it is fixed.
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Message 450 - Posted: 23 Jan 2021, 17:22:47 UTC

It seems that the validator is working again.

All tasks are validating now, except tasks that reached the maximum replication of 8.
Those finished tasks got the state 'Can't validate' :(
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Message 452 - Posted: 23 Jan 2021, 21:16:05 UTC - in response to Message 444.  

Calm down, its a relatively new project with a big growth of users in short time.
sometimes errors just happen.
I see no significant lack of calm. In fact, yours is the only transgressive post that I can identify, the only one that presumptuously tells people what to do. I'd tell you what to do in turn, but that would not be "kid friendly."

My own calm choice will be to stop running this project until the issue is addressed.


I have to agree with this response. There are a number of good Distributed Computing projects. I am most willing to donate my CPU and GPU time, but not for naught.
True, a learning curve is to be expected. However, the administrator(s) did not appear to be addressing the problem, at least not in the forums.
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Message 461 - Posted: 24 Jan 2021, 17:13:11 UTC

looks like something is going on
I found some results that went from invalid with to many result to valid for all 8 tasks of the result
https://www.sidock.si/sidock/workunit.php?wuid=2802060
https://www.sidock.si/sidock/workunit.php?wuid=2837016
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Message 463 - Posted: 24 Jan 2021, 18:13:53 UTC - in response to Message 461.  

Hi folks! Some tasks was revalidated.
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Message 507 - Posted: 2 Feb 2021, 13:06:23 UTC
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Hi
A couple of things that concern me:
    Quite a few of my tasks are being validated within an hour, but others are still pending validation after 4 days
    All of the WUs for my tasks seem to have been given out 2 or 3 times


Is this expected? I'm not overly worried about the delay, although it does seem odd that they are not being validated in some sort of time order. But I am a bit perturbed that I'm just repeating work that others are doing simultaneously, without even waiting for a chance to do them in a timely manner. That certainly isn't happening with the other project I am working on.

Or am I misinterpreting things? Thoughts?

Thanks, Chris

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Message 509 - Posted: 2 Feb 2021, 15:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 507.  
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Hi
A couple of things that concern me:
    Quite a few of my tasks are being validated within an hour, but others are still pending validation after 4 days
    All of the WUs for my tasks seem to have been given out 2 or 3 times


Is this expected? I'm not overly worried about the delay, although it does seem odd that they are not being validated in some sort of time order. But I am a bit perturbed that I'm just repeating work that others are doing simultaneously, without even waiting for a chance to do them in a timely manner. That certainly isn't happening with the other project I am working on.

Or am I misinterpreting things? Thoughts?

Thanks, Chris



OK, so both of these points are a result of this project being configured with quorum=2. Nothing gets validated until 2 hosts have returned identical results. And most of my tasks that are still pending validation haven't yet reached their deadline and were also given out to a host that hasn't been online for quite a while. The other project I am contributing to has quorum=1 so it doesn't happen there.

I'm curious how necessary it really is to gain consensus on each WU. Presumably it is there for a reason but it is a huge overhead...
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Message 510 - Posted: 2 Feb 2021, 18:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 509.  

cpalmer wrote:
cpalmer wrote:
Quite a few of my tasks are being validated within an hour, but others are still pending validation after 4 days
And most of my tasks that are still pending validation haven't yet reached their deadline and were also given out to a host that hasn't been online for quite a while.
The owner of these hosts is waiting for the upcoming contest to start.

(BTW, there were and are other projects in which workunits can easily take several months until 2+ valid results came together. E.g. SETI@home, QuChemPedIA. It happens comparably quickly at SiDock, actually.)
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